After the previous International Investigation Committee in the assassination of PM Rafik Hariri was published, Hezbollah's media team picked up a small point and spin it out of proportion to a point that it became a ready and easy answer used by any 8th march politicians when asked about the tribunal and the investigation.
The Judge responsible of the investigation, Bramertz, stated in his previous report that ten countries were not helping the investigation. Hezbollah and its allies started fabricating stories claiming that the countries were France, the US and Saudi Arabia and absolved Syria of any blame , based on the fact that Bramertz said that the Syrian Republic was cooperating, accusing instead the ten unnamed countries (which the spin masters named nevertheless) and of course their perpetual culprit: Israel.
The issue grew so much out of proportion that any discussion of the tribunal usually brought it up, accusing the 14 March of being biased against Syria, and wonders of all wonders, accusing them of being AGAINST finding those behind the assassination.
Fortunately, or maybe unfortunately for the 8th of March forces, Bramertz explained, yesterday in in section 102 of his latest report, that:
"in its last report the commission noted that responses to requests from 10 member states were overdue. in view of the importance of the assistance requested and the time frame in which it aims to complete its investigation activities, the commission concentrated on following up all outstanding RFAs [request for assistance]. The commission held a series of meetings with relevant Ambassadors to discuss past requests . As a result of these meetings, almost all outstanding matters were resovled to the commission's satisfaction, with responses received and where appropriate, mechanisms introduced to facilitate the resolution of pending issues."It seems that the web of lies that the spin masters of March 8 have been carefully building, for the last months is starting to crumble. first with apprehending the Syrians perpetrators of the Ain Alq terrorists attacks, which reinforce the blame against Syria in all the other crimes, and now with the debunking of their favorite response to the international tribunal.
I wonder what they will come out with next!!
17 comments :
Bob,
Thanks for clearing that up.
Sam used that exact excuse every time the Hariri Tribunal was brought up and I always wondered how true the accusation was. Good to know he was blowing smoke the whole time.
This is an example of "SPIN", indeed.
Bob,
The section you showed proves exactly that Syria is NOT responsible.
1- If Syria was implicated you would think that some of those ten countries would have cooperated immediately to give us their proofs not keep them "overdue".
2- The cited paragraph shows that they just talked and that they gave answers but no evidence yet and that is underlined by the still "PENDING issues" at the end of the paragraph.
3- You pickand choose paragraphs and ignored the one saying that Syria's cooperation is satisfactory.
All that proves that Hezbollah is absolutely right. As for spinning things, you know what that means since you are the the one who is always trying to spin things (against Hezbollah). Everytime anything happens you just blame Hezbollah, easy isn't it Bob? Is Hezbollah responsible for global warming because of the argile used in downtown? Ha Ha Ha you are so funny.
Long lives the truth, Long Lives Hezbollah!
Bob,
Does your mother know you are gay?
I usually delete insults and personal comments. However, this time I will keep it because it shows the quality of the persons writing them, it shows their manners, their self esteem and their worth…
PS: Ya Sam I am sooo disappointed by you, I thought we could at least have a decent and mature discussion it seems that you cannot by hurl insults at me…
Before you claim your innocence, I told you once that I know the IP address of each and every comments and look what I found out!
Sam comment at 11:20 18/03/07 IP address (from France) ALyon-158-1-26-167.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr (90.29.161.167)
Rodolphe comment at 11:25 18/03/07 IP address (from France) ALyon-158-1-26-167.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr (90.29.161.167)
Meanwhile there is no other hits on my site but the above mentioned address, the closest one is at 13:12 and the earliest one before is 09:52
If anyone needs to see the log I would be more than happy to forward it.
Sam you just did the greatest disservice to the party you are defending and trying to further its cause… Shame on you…
and bytheway this is not the first time that Sam used alias to comment on my blog, which usually comment in sequence in a very small window of time (usually less than 10 min apart between comments, check past posts like this one: Beirut Burning, Jan 24, 2007)…
too bad i thought that we could at least have a decent conversation and discussion...
Bob,
I am an IT guy and I know what an IP address is. You might as well teach a dentist what a tooth is, Ha ha ha!
Now you can not hold me responsible for the comments of my brother in law who (lives in Paris not Lyon) visits on holidays and some week ends.
First, he is 100% pro Aoun, and I'm independant.
Second I don't approve all he says but for me (and unlike you) there is no limit for free speech.
Sometimes all of us here decide to have a pick on your blog and have some fun, is it nice? not really, but you your comments are sometime so out of this world that it makes it in a way funny.
Slavic Mike,
Don't forget to attend the memorial service of the dozen or so US soldiers, wiped clean off the earth by the sunni and shia Iraqi resistance, after democratically installing the Iraqi Hezbollah as part of the coalition in power.
Good job and keep it up!
Next stop Damascus and Riad where we still need to see the muslim brotherhood take power democratically and join the pro Hezbollah freedom alliance.
God bless democracy in Lebanon Iraq and Palestine!
Oh ... and please send more troops to speed up the process...
Sam
You don't even have a minimum of respect to apologize on the behalf of your supposed "brother in law" even better you defend him and you call insulting me free speech!
So I would like to know, according to your definition of freedom of speech, what will you still consider insults against the “divine” Nassrallah freedom of speech?
I am so inclined to use your version of free speech and tell you a piece of my mind. But I will not! Because i m better than your "brother in law" I respect myself and others.
So your "brother in law" is banned from my blog, until he apologizes! And next time any insult from coming from your IP address will get you banned to!
Finally I am truly sorry that an educated person such as you, living in France has to resort to insults and fabrication just because he can no longer find plausible argument and logic statements… what a shame
PS: putting Hezbollah and freedom in the same sentence was the funniest thing I heard today!
Bob, Slavic Mike
Mathew 7:6.
That is not an insult directed towards Sam or Rodolphe. But I feel that it describes the current discussion.
Sam
This is my blog and personnal attacks and insults are not allowed.
No more discussion about the subject. you don't like it go elsewhere.
stop the lies man just stop them...
you attack me personnaly and then claim that i am not being tolerant and democratic? you have such a twisted logic! Your comments are such a perfect example of how Al Manar operates twisting the truth...
Jeha
You know the sad thing is that comment such as Sam and his alias derail the discussion and move our attention away.
And then they blame us for that!! Very funny and sad indeed.
Anyways I really liked your quote!!
So back to the discussion of the international tribunal, and let us put this sad episode behind us.
Sam
first i never claimed that the report blamed Syria, no I said that the issue of the 10 countries that did not cooperate was used to innocent Syria.
Second as always you change the subject Sam i was not talking about Syria's cooperation, i was discussing the issue of the ten countries that did not cooperate, of which HA made a big fuss.
Third you seem to pick and choose the sentence you like. So when Bramertz says "almost all outstanding matters" then it means that he is satisfied by the cooperation of these countries and the "pending issues" are very small and should be solved soon.
So again I stand by my conclusions the fuss created by HA spin masters has once again proven to be lies and fabrication...
>Jeha said...
Bob, Slavic Mike
Mathew 7:6.
That's a good quote. I came up with one similar a few years back:
"No point in slinging mud at someone bathing in shit" (please excuse the profanity).
As for Sam,
> Sam said...
Slavic Mike,
Don't forget to attend the memorial service of the dozen or so US soldiers, wiped clean off the earth by the sunni and shia Iraqi resistance, after democratically installing the Iraqi Hezbollah as part of the coalition in power.
Well, for starters I've already attended one Marine funeral, so that base is covered.
As far as Iraqi Hezbollah making waves, there's apparently a growing disdain these days for groups affiliated directly and indirectly with Iran:
"Another story notes the withdrawal of the Fadheela Party from the Shia bloc (the UIA). The Fadheela leaders said the reason for breaking away from the UIA was because the UIA didn’t act as a patriotic movement. This step stands as a challenge by the Arabic hierarchy of Yaqoubi (the Ayatollah behind Fadheela) to the Iranian-born Sistani and his hierarchy, combined with a call for nonsectarian political process."
http://www.iranpressnews.com/english/source/022099.html
>Next stop Damascus and Riad where we still need to see the muslim brotherhood take power democratically and join the pro Hezbollah freedom alliance.
Are you dillusional?
Why would Sunni Muslim Brotherhood align with Shia HA which is the militia of Alawite Syria that has BRRRRRRUUUUTALY waged a campaign for years trying to wipe out the Muslim Brotherhood (of which membership is punishable by death in Syria)?!
And on top of that, the Muslim Brotherhood receives the majority of its financial support from Saudi Arabia, so why in the world would they turn on Riyad?
The idea that an Iranian and Syrian backed group like HA would somehow produce democracy if in power in complete contrast with the oppressive plutocracy's of those signing HA's paychecks in Tehran and Damascus is still an insurmountable contradiction that you keep championing to no avail.
But to some it all up, I've begun to enjoy your "HA taking over the world" comments as of late, because despite the venom and potential for fruition they carried back in the fall and winter, they now are turning to vapor that one can quickly see vanish.
And what was the biggest turn of events beyond the defection to the West of a high ranking deputy general of Iran's IRGC who was also one of the founding members of HA's Lebanon?
Why it would have to be Russia turning it's back on Iran over Bushehr. The threat produced by Iran prior was that there was some unseen alliance between Tehran, Moscow, and Beijing.
But proving, as always, that Russia is all about the money, they quit their work on Bushehr and have actually started pulling out some of the 2,000 Russian technicians currently working on the site:
http://www.iran-press-service.com/ips/articles-2007/march-2007/boushehr-delayed_15307.shtml
Without Russia, Iran is in an unescapable downward spiral without a respectable ally to be had.
And despite how much HA achieves, without Iran, there's no funding.
And therefore that is the end of HA as well (not to mention Syria which runs out of oil to export in 2008).
So keep talking about how grand your Nasrallah is, it won't matter.
He'll soon need a new job, no matter how many wars he tries to start.
Because the endgame yields no fruit now that the Russian Bear and Chinese Dragon have decided to stand alongside the West.
Here's a fun article about emerging problems in Iran that are bringing up "Soviet Collapse" memories.
There's even a part about how HA, at Iran's behest, is trying to make peace (if only temporarily to lick wounds) with ISREAL:
"Hezb'allah is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Iran's Revolutionary Guards, who are under the direct command of Ayatollah Khamenei, the "Supreme Guide" of the mullahcracy. Khamenei plays the radical and pragmatic factions against each other like puppets. Hezb'allah would be unlikely to talk to Israel if Ahmadinejad were in complete control."
http://www.iranpressnews.com/english/source/022098.html
Bob,
Your paragraph shows clearly that Hezbollah is absolutely right about its claim.
The 10 countries (among them the US, Israel, France) have still not cooperated with the probe, hence the "almost all outstanding matters" is about the mechanism to allow cooperation which itself did NOT happen: no intelligence has being provided. Again Hezbollah is right and you are the spinner (although not a master). All that by the way shows that they are protecting the culprits, interesting no?
Syria has nothing to do with the Hariri assassination, but I'll go further EVEN if Syria was (and I'm sure it isn't) the tribunal thing has nothing to do with providing justice it is just used for political reasons and to divide arabs and sects among themselves (exactly like the Saddam trial and hanging in Iraq).
But I'm very confident in my mind there is no doubt that people will find the truth and reach the same conclusion. Unlike others, I'm not afraid of the truth.
Sam
i m glad you can read that from the paragraph i quoted!!
just please explain to me where did you read the names of the country that did not cooperate and where did you read that they still have not cooperated...
about your alluding to mechanism again read carefully "almost all outstanding matters were resolved to the commission's satisfaction"
The matters were resolved!! any clearer than that you can't have! and if the commission is satisfied so am I!
on one hand you claim that the commission and the tribunal are not here to bring justice and on the other hand you quote them and use their report to prove that Syria is innocent and other countries are not!
so please make up your mind and decide what you want, you believe the reports or you don't!!
Moreover your claim, allusion and accusation are all not founded and have no references, so until you bring some shreds of concrete evidence they are only hot air.... just like al manar!
Finally i don't understand your insistence about the innocence of Syria! If it is such a great country go live there instead of living in countries you accuse of being behind all the woe and problems of the Middle East....
PS: no more Sam, this is not a 3 grade playground, plz behave maturely and show some respect... last warning
Bob
>>on one hand you claim that the commission and the tribunal are not here to bring justice
True. The US is using it to pick and choose what it wants to pressure Bashar to accept their unacceptable conditions. That doesn't mean that everybody in he tribunal is against Syria.
It is exactly like what happened with the Unscom in Iraq.
The unscom said they can't prove anything against Iraq but the US used it to pick and choose to justify its war against Iraq.
(Which by the way totally backfired)
Sam
so your arguments do not apply as you don't believe the commission, and you just quoted them!!
next try do use some reference and a minimum of rational and logic...
Important notice:
In the last days a person by the name of Sam has been using insults, personal attacks and spam on my blog. Unfortunately all efforts to communicate and reason with him failed.
So I find myself with no other method that to implement moderation of the comment, for a limited time.
My apologies for that, and rest assured that all your comments that do not contain insults and personal attacks, will be published regardless of political stances of affiliations.
Again my apologies.
Meanwhile, Sam if you want to show some maturity and explain yourself and maybe discuss things with me I will be more than happy to communicate with you via my email.
Sam,
>US used it to pick and choose to justify its war against Iraq.
(Which by the way totally backfired)
The irony is that HA's patrons, Iran may be the saving grace for the US now.
If Tehran could just keep it's mouth shut for one second, they could help the scenario that would force a US withdrawal, but NOOOOO, Ahmedinejad just has to keep running his mouth and now this:
"Iran's supreme leader has warned his country could pursue nuclear activities outside international law if illegal action is taken against it."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6476397.stm
It's almost as if the mullahs want the West to win.
1) They chase away the Russians (and Chinese) - which cuts off their arms dealers since the majority of its arsenal consists of Russian and Chinese missiles renamed Shehaab instead of the original Russian, Chinese, or North Korean name, which is also another arms broker no longer ar Iran's disposal since Kim Il Jong wisely choice the easy money that comes with appeasement instead of being back door strong armed by the Chinese over fuel and money supplies.
And don't even think of turning to Pakistan, who recently hosted what amounted to an anti-Iranian and Syrian conference among the region's Sunni Countries.
2) they manage to anger the once soft toned Europeans, which may be why your in such a "huff and puff" mood given that all the major candidates running for the top post in France's government to replace Chirac are talking tough against Iran and it's pet projects such as HA.
3) They keep giving the US every reason in the world to maintain its massive naval build up in the Gulf on a daily basis with random "satellite launches", refusing to compromise with anyone, constant domestic security crackdowns like the recently formed "Crisis Committee" in Tehran to crack down on recent public uprisings leading into the "New Day" festivities.
Who knows, we may see an '07 Revolution in Tehran where the mullahs are all arrested and a new Iran is formed as a peaceful nation state.
Probably '08 at the latest.
Here's yet another piece I found showing HA's allegiance to everyone but Lebanon involving their training of Iraqi insurgents in Tehran.
Some of the good news is that the PMOI has leaked three high ranking Iraqi officials, including the governor of a southern Iraqi province as being complicit with the Iranian war machine:
http://www.ncr-iran.org/content/view/3015/71/
Point is, HA can launch another war against Israel, Syria and Iran can continue to churn violence in Iraq, it's all just a swan song.
So rant on incoherently, it doesn't matter. Your side put together a pretty good plan, but their egos and short sightedness kept them from coming even close to pulling it off in the grand scheme of things.
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