Since HA started its protest movement they have been using a “surprise surprise” method. In other words, they have been keeping the nature, date and target of their demonstration secret until the very last moment. And even sometimes announcing a demonstration, then cancelling or postponing it…
In the first weeks, this strategy proved very effective in scaring people and suffocating an already dying economy. However, since the beginning of the New Year, people have slowly gotten over their fear and dread of these ambulant demonstrations and life (outside down Town) have slowly returned to a semblance of normality, while the economic situation did not improve much…
Faced with an enormous deadlock and a steadfast 14 March, Hezbollah found no other way but to increase the intensity of their demonstrations, and announced that they will support and participate in a series of sit-ins and demonstrations that will target several Ministries, decided earlier by the General Worker Union of Lebanon (an trade union totally controlled by Syria in the past and now by Hezbollah)
What happened next raised a few eyebrows in surprise. The demonstration failed to attract more than a couple of hundred people, most of them Hezbollah security forces (indibat). This blatant failure signed the death sentence of the Union and questioned the long term mobilization capabilities of Hezbollah’s allies, especially Aoun and Frangieh. While Hezbollah mobilization, being based on religion doctrine and believes, can be easily reinvigorated.
I totally do not understand how Hezbollah could commit such a blunder, and later on aggravate it by claiming that the opposition did not participate in these sit-ins on purpose, to let the Union Association prove itself. While some Hezbollah officials trying to find a positive spin to this failure claimed that the space in front of ministries could not handle many demonstrators (sic). I was under the impression that the smaller the space the better the demonstration will look! (As the numbers will significantly look bigger!)
Anyways, they failed in round two as they failed in round one (the big demonstration and permanent sit in) and they are promising, again, further escalation and civil disobedience. Frankly they have cried wolf so many times that I no longer believe them, or care about their next move.
At the end, they must understand that the only way to solve this crisis is to pass the international tribunal in the parliament and change the president, and early parliamentary election will be organized and we will let the people decide for themselves. Meanwhile, all what they are doing is hurting the economy and wasting much needed time to enact reforms and reconstruct the war damage…
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I wouldn't dismiss them yet. They've proven quite creative when it comes to dragging the country back into the middle ages.
Look for an upcoming confrontation with - or attempted discreditation of - the ISF (darak).
Very true Bob , I can tell from my personal experience and from people around me, that we were really scared and getting paranoid on each move the opposition used to prepare. When they say there will be demonstration, I stayed home didn’t move, and even thought not to send kids to school ect…. And I used to watch TV all the time to know what is happening ect…. now do you believe that I am not watching TV news anymore I don’t even know that there is demonstration on that day or any other thing and I am having a normal life .Amazing how we Lebanese get use to everything in a short period of time. I feel as if the sit in has being there for ages …… though every time I pass by them I have tears in my eyes because they made the place very ugly and dirty and I really don’t understand that, they could stay there without turning the site into such a mess, but that is a different issue!!!!
Lily
I am not dismissing them Jade, i jus do not care anymore...
Let them do their best, or should i say worest. Nothing will change, only a compromise will solve the sitiuation now...
>> and suffocating an already dying economy
What? a "demonstration that failed to attract more than a couple of hundred people" is suffocating the economy?
Is The opposition also responsible for global warming because of the arghile?
Oh, and let's not forget AIDS since like some are saying, there are "bad things happening" in the sit ins...
Yaani bravo, comme on dit en France, il vaut mieux entendre ca qu'etre sourd!!! (euh...quoi que la!)
Sam
typical HA strategy.Take a sentence out of context from the first paragraph and linked to something else and tralalal you have your case.
well this strategy doesn't work, what suffocated the economy was the "surprise surprise" strategy of th efirst weeks, and not mini-demos of the last days (ref. "In the first weeks, this strategy proved very effective in scaring people and suffocating an already dying economy.")
avant d'entendre ou d'etre sourd, il faut mieux savoir lire!
peace
March 14th:
Given the recent slowing of momentum for HA, it might be a good chance to take advantage with some good ol'fashion politics.
In particular, start asking HA how it intends to repair the Lebanese economy?
Maybe even pursuade them to take a few simple Economic 101 tests along with some more Advanced Economic tests for them to prove exactly how they plan to rejuvenate Lebanon.
Not to spoil it for everyone, but if they showed how they would help out the entire economy, they would enrage their base who would obviously see they were being left behind.
And if they showed their plan of how they were going to help their poor constituency at the cost of all other Lebanese, they would lose support outside of their immediate base.
No matter what path they choose, simply making them reveal their policies can only help March 14th and further dissolve their alliances with other parties and within their own base.
I'll get the test rolling. Here are a few issues to quiz them on:
TOURISM
-How will HA fix tourism, especially given how much they, themselves, have hurt it?
-How do they plan to attract back all of the European and Arab tourists who are untrusting of HA because of its strong ties to Iran (and all of its vicious machinations throughout the world).
JOBS
-What initiatives does HA plan to foster job growth and quickly get Lebanon's markets back on its feet in an ever changing fast paced global economy?
-If it does recommend an extension of its "Good Loan" program, which requires only a monthly fee and personal items such as jewelry for collateral from patrons seeking micro loans, does it know for a fact that Tehran is willing to foot the bill for the massive increase in funding the program will need to sustain a far larger customer base?
Without assurances from Iran that the increased funding will always be there to back the "Good Loan" program (amidst Iran's own growing fiscal crisis), what could they possibly do to keep the microloan program from
quickly going bankrupt due to the fact that it doesn't charge interest on the loans it issues (which is required of all standard banks that issue loans in order to keep operating at a profit).
CORRUPTION
-Corruption for decades inside the Lebanese government has siphoned countless millions from the Lebanese taxpayers.
Given HA's recent past of providing free electricity and other benefits to its own constituents and the additional cost of non-HA supporting citizens, how is HA expected to be trustworthy in participating in the move to remove corruption from government?
FOREIGN RELATIONS
-With recent violations of international law such as the illicit operations of HA in the US in the late 90's based out of cities like "Charlotte — to Michigan, to the West Coast, to Canada and to Beirut, Lebanon"
How do they expect to repair key economic relationships with the West when their crimes abroad include the following:
"At least one member of the Hezbollah cell first came to the U.S. on forged visa picked up in Venezuela. Others overstayed their tourist or student visas. Once here, they began making millions through a combination of tobacco smuggling, credit card schemes, and arranging phony “green-card” marriages. They even succeeded at obtaining a $1.7 million loan from the Small Business Administration."
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,244002,00.html
-How does HA expect to fight off economic and other Western imposed sanctions immediately following their rise to power like those that met Hamas as soon as they took leadership in the Palentinian government?
LAW & ORDER
-HA has often been linked, but never convicted of various acts of violence and assassinations against political enemies:
"We went to Beirut, and our timing was auspicious. Our visit coincided with an explosive power struggle in Lebanon between Hezbollah and its opponents in government. While we were filming in Hezbollah's stronghold in Southern Beirut, a FOX producer rushed to the scene to tell us that cabinet minister Pierre Gemayal had just been shot and killed in an ambush not far from where we were filming. The decision was made to get out quickly.
The night before the assassination, Cohen appeared shaken after a conversation with Sheik Abbas Harake, a man we were supposed to interview the next day.
According to the U.S. government, Harake was a military commander in Beirut and received money from Mohammad Hammoud, Cohen's client. Harake was the alleged conduit connecting the Charlotte cell to the military wing of Hezbollah. Cohen argued that Harake was just a used car salesman, who ran a humanitarian aid group for Hezbollah. But the night before the assassination, it appeared Harake knew that something was up. He called Cohen to say he couldn't make the interview the next day. "Things are about to get ugly," a nervous Cohen told me after speaking with the sheik."
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,244002,00.html
MILITARY
-Will Lebanon be safer with HA running the government with it's military wing free to act out whenever it chooses?
-Does HA believe that airing propaganda such as the following:
"Death To Israel" - Music Video
http://youtube.com/watch?v=sexukqC61iQ
Make it more likely that another conflict with Israel will occur?
-And when HA proclaims "Death To Israel" does it mean "Death only to Jewish Israelis" or does it include "Death to both Jewish and Arab Israelis"?
-If HA is only against Jews within Israel, how does it explain its involvement "with a 1994 bombing that killed dozens of women and children at a Jewish center in Argentina."
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,244002,00.html
-Does HA believe that the current government under March 14th, left in power, will lead to a future Lebanon vs. Israel conflict?
-Can HA be trusted with seeking to secure Lebanon in the name of all Lebanese instead of only in the name (and interests) of its contituents and foreign patrons such as Syria and Iran?
-Can HA truly be relied on to effectively train Lebanon's military in its guerilla tactics, knowing that many traditional military members will not be open to the idea of using civilians as human shields while launching attacks and hiding from retalitory strikes?
Just a few suggestions on how to seize a lull in HA's momentum, prior to them launching some new and possibly dangerous scheme to seize power.
Oh yeah, and Sam:
>>The Olmert quote that "Hassan Nasrallah was the most courageous man on earth" was translated
and reported to the Yediot Ahronot web site but was actually removed 5 minutes later not 30 minutes
you can write to them and ask them about it, they will confirm it to you.
I sent this email to that Israeli news cite about that quote from Olmert:
"Yediot Ahronot:
I'm in the middle of trying to verify the story behind an Olmert quote
that was posted and supposedly removed
5 minutes later.
The quote is:
"Hassan Nasrallah was the most courageous man on earth"
I was told the quote originally ran on a Romanian news site and was
translated and reported to the Yediot Ahronot web site but was actually
removed 5 minutes later.
I would like to know if the quote is accurate, the context of the quote
with a link to the full article if possible and the reason for the
quote's removal (inaccurate, too politically sensitive, etc.)
Best Regards,
Mike"
And I got this response:
"Shalom from Ynet and thank you for contacting us.
After checking with the news editorial staff, it seems that the article
hasn't been published at Ynet news.
We are always available for any question, problem or comment.
Best regards,
Avishay B.
Customer Service www.ynet.co.il"
Looks like your Olmert quote is bogus.
Maybe he really said: "Kazemeini-Boroujerdi was the most courageous man on earth"
He's the Iranian Ayatollah that's been jailed repeatedly for speaking out against the tyrannical Iranian regime.
http://regimechangeiniran.com/2006/11/no-news-on-the-status-of-antir/
But this too must be a false story, based on you telling me how wonderful it is to live in Iran.
Bob,
I just told you it was the opposition but you just focus on HA, Maybe you should learn reading!
First I want you to answer all the previous questions and give me all your sources (you never did) before hurling in more stuff.
Second, in your text you are talking about "blunders" and giving numbers (by the way it is funny you were refusing to talk about numbers when there were 2 million people supporting the opposition and just in the streets) and you are saying that support is waning with Aoun etc.
Now, let me make sure I understand:
- Either there are a lot of people supporting the opposition and that means that you have 2 kinds of people:
1- The ones with the opposition
2- The ones that are not from the opposition and are suffocating the economy.
- There are not a lot of people in the opposition and you have 1 kind of people:
1- People that don't support the opposition and are suffocating the economy.
To Slavic Mike,
>>If HA is only against Jews within Israel
HA and people in the Middle East are not against jews within Palestine, they are against not letting millions of Palestinians from returning to their homes and/or land in Palestine.
After more than a decade of the team in power today (and before the sit ins ever started), here is the state of the economy in numbers:
- 42% of lebanese youth emigrated
- 61% of Lebanese voted for the "minority"
- VAT at 15%
- Minimum wage at less than $200
- Paris 1: 26 billion $ debt
- Paris 2: 32 billion $ debt
- Paris 1: 45 billion $ debt
But Bob is blaming ... the people who are peacfully protesting for a change!!!
I have read a lot of crap on bloga but I never saw someone insulting our intelligence more than bob.
This is full of contradictions, because on one hand you state that
Hezbollah can 'easily mobilize' and on the other hand that they can not get mobilised and that they failed.
So which one is it?
Sam
Ok first, no more you know or I know how to read, let us focus on the content rather than personal insinuation. Let us try to keep this from turning nasty.
I am using HA on purpose, so even when you say opposition I will keep on saying HA cause they are the main movers behind all the protests (money, people and media)
Now what are the numbers you want sources about? Plz specify.
About the numbers of protestors I told you open Google earth and calculate the area of the protests (both in HA latest demo and 14 March) and then multiply it by 2.5 or max 3 and then you will have the total number of protestors. I have tried it and believe me on both cases no one mustered more than 1 million.
About the latest part of your comment, I will just ignore it and stand by what I said. The people demonstrating in the streets are suffocating the economy and are not helping the situation and making finding a solution harder…
anyways we will see the popular support on tuesday and how much of lebanon goes on strike!
Karen
You might as well copy past the billboards in their original ugly colors (the numbers Karen is referring to come from HA latest billboards campaign.) You might wanna check my previous comment on the subject and who caused most of this debt.
About the rest of the numbers I am going to write about each one in future posts, but you better forget about them cause they are totally wrong…
Rudolph
Insults or personnel attacks are not and will never be accepted on my blog. If you do not like what I write plz stop reading!
If you want to engage in a proper discussion be my guest, if not then I would appreciate it if you stop commenting.
Thx you!
Roula
Exactly! The situation is very contradictory; I do not know why HA are not participating in the protests, and leaving the other partners in the opposition hanging…
In Lebanon, our politicians turn sides so often that I gave up taking sides on whose arguments appear right or reasonable at any given moment. I prefer to take sides with the one who's following a "feasible" approach or policy.
With that in mind, Hezb and Aoun are botth stuck in this protest. It cannot reach results because it is perceived, right or wrong, by the Sunnis as a sectarian/Shiite protest. And when it comes to removing the PM, the Sunnis are the only ones that matter, regardless of teh size of the braying masses opposing him. Now, in the absence of results, the protests self-perpetuation is their best guarantee of avoiding political death, and in the case of Hezb, a strong probability of physical death.
The end of this farce is known; we know WHAT will play out, but not yet HOW it will play out.
Bob,
>>The people demonstrating in the streets are suffocating the economy
you still didn't tell me how a few hundred people in the streets are suffocating the economy. Now if you are talking about the previous big demonstrations, they were not in the streets they were taking place on Martyrs and Solh Squares (ie not blocking any street). So how could a few hundred tents on these squares strangle an economy?
(that by your own admission was dying after years and years of siniora in government).
You are so funny!
Jeha
>> And when it comes to removing the PM, the Sunnis are the only ones that matter
The sunnis were not asked what they cared about when protests were going against the very sunni Omar Karame government!
You are now insulting the sunni part of my family, of whom not a single one supports siniora. Do you think sunnis are dumb or something? Do you think that because someone is a sunni he should support corrupt politicians just because they are sunni? Do you think there are no honest sunnis that are perfectly able to take over in this country? This is so ridiculous, this is not a religious war this is a political problem.
>Roula Exactly! The situation is
>very contradictory; I do not know
>why HA are not participating in
>the protests, and leaving the
>other partners in the opposition
>hanging…
You don't know??
The opposition told you in advance why: We don't want to block streets and cause traffic jams that would affect people in their daily lives.
You are insinuating the opposition is less than 200 people?????
Bob you are a living insult to our intelligence. Sorry this is crap there is no other word for it: crap, crap, crap...
HA Bilboards? I don't live in Lebanon, haven't been there for 2 years, and never saw an HA Billbord!
You saying the numbers are not true is not a serious discussion.
I want you to read those numbers and give me a proof for any you say is not true. Until you give proofs, from independant and dependable sources, here they are again:
- 42% of lebanese youth emigrated
- 61% of Lebanese voted for the "minority"
- VAT at 15%
- Minimum wage at less than $200
- Paris 1: 26 billion $ debt
- Paris 2: 32 billion $ debt
- Paris 1: 45 billion $ debt
Jeha, if it is not 'feasible' to have a clean government in this country than to hell with it.
Sam
Do you know Martyr and Riad el Sohl square?? You say no streets are blocked there and the tents are just in the squares??? It looks like you don’t really know. I can tell you, because I personally saw the main road to Riad el Solh is blocked, the street leading to the banks perpendicular to Riad el Solh is also blocked, the street to go to saifi village from gemayseh it is also blocked, if you come from Bhsara el Khoury you will have to turn right under the bridge via Ashrafieh and you can’t go strait to down town cause it is blocked too!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bob
Please can you explain where is democracy in Aoun and Frangieh’s speech yesterday?? Did I heard right or not?? They were imposing the strike and they literally threatened who will not obey the strike??? They said people will not be able to go to their work!!!!!
Really very democratic act and if I never trusted them before now they make me trust them 100% i just feel very secure in their hands,no doubt they will lead the country just in the right path……...!!!
By the way we are going to work tomorrow and I am sending the kids to school and no one is allowed to keep me from doing what I want. Lebanon is a free country and will remain like that as long as people like us still believe in it!
Lily
Lily,
Do you think 2 or 3 blocked streets (leading to the squares) are strangling the economy?
In a democracy people have the right to go on strike when they think the country is headed in the wrong direction.
>>Did I heard right or not??
You obviously didn't! No one is threatening anybody, we are just trying to insure a better future for our kids, send yours wherever you want no one is keeping you from doing so. By the way I'm happy to see you are not "afraid" to move around.
Sam,
When discussion history, it helps to stick around FACTS. During Hariri's funeral, when we were ALL chanting "la ilah illa allah", many northern Sunnis were there, replying "wa bachar 3adowa allah"... To state that that "sunnis were not asked what they cared about when protests were going against the very sunni Omar Karame government" is therefore grossly inaccurate. This was percieved as a Sunni movement from day 0, and the entire movement was directed against the Syrian takeover of the Sunni community. Omar Karameh later confirmed Sunnis in their determination against Syria by stating that his "marja3iye" was "Ain El-Tine".
Claude,
Unfortunately, ours is not a country. As long as a group can choose allegiance to outsiders, we will never become a country. The sad part about it is that the promise of March 14 strikes fear in all our leaders, and they have gone back to their foreign masters and dragged us with them.
Sam
I named 4 blocked streets. And yes on those streets people do have shops there and restaurants and houses, so I can't see how it is helping the economy. The sit in is not the major reason for our economical problem but it is not helping to solve it and it is making it bigger.
In democracy we have the right to strike and demonstrate but we shouldn't impose it on the others. And camping in public places is not a democratic act.
It seems you didn't listen to frangieh , he said that we should be careful if we decide to go to work we might not be able to come back home. So what was that?? A joke?? For me he was threatening!!
By the way can you tell me I am confused, the opposition always stresses that they are the majority and people are really fed up with the government, so if this is true naturally tomorrow the biggest part of Lebanon will be closing, but yet Aoun and Frangieh were aggressive and threatening saying that if people won't obey the strike they might not be able to go to work or to go back home. So it seems they have doubts about the majority issue!!!
Thanks Sam I am happy too, because if I loose this freedom Lebanon will vanish.
Lily
Rudoloph
I did not insinuate that the opposition is less than 200 people as you say, plz read carefully. I said that they failed to mobilize, adding that HA did not participate on purpose.
Continuously saying the same word does not make it true!
Sam
Again, this is the second time you ask the same question and I will answer it in the same manner, I said that the demonstrations and the sit-ins of FIRST WEEKS caused the suffocation of the economy, not the silly demonstration of the latest days!!!
Karen
I am sorry but journalistically it is you who have to bring the source of the numbers not me, you proposed them you prove them!! Basic logic!
So please be kind and provide me a source of what you claim.
Roula
The opposition at first said that they wanted to close roads and to lay siege to the ministries, not as you said. Additionally, if what you said was true then they just changed their mind and they want to close roads, as Frangieh stated yesterday!
Jeha,
Hoss is not a sunni? Karame is not a sunni? Mikati is not a sunni? Yakan is not a sunni?
I am from Tripoli and no one in my family supported hariri. When he died the sunni part of my family all accused israel and not a single one of them supports siniora. One of them, my cousin, saw with his own eyes the packing of 750,000 dollars, at a Saudi Oger office, for Khaddam in syria.
Feltman is going almost every day to see siniora, as well as the frequent visits from former colonial powers' delegates, as well as the most oppressive backward, US controlled arab regimes.
So yes you are absolutely true when you say that we do not have a country, and that is exactly what many in the opposition, including many sunnis, want to change.
>you have to bring the source of the numbers
Our failing government!
Karen
Sources as from an independent organization, as in numbers, as in economic figures!!! Sources!!! not words just words, cause i have plenty of those...
First I would like to apologize from my readers for what I am going to say.
In the last several weeks or so a person, first anonymous then called Sam has been heavily posting on my blog. Of course I am very pleased by his attention, but his comment has verged several times on insults. And I wondered as well as some of you (like Slavik Mike) how could a person who claimed to live in New York post so frequently, and dedicate so much of his time to my humble blog (more than 14 comments in the last 4 posts, even more than what I personally posted).
I have no problem with any comment as long as it is decent, no matter who the commentators are or from where they post. But I do have a problem with deceit and dishonesty!
So Sam
Let me thank you for your dedication and patience to my blog. It really warms my heart to know that a working guy in NY, that usually works 8 heavy hours a day and who has a girlfriend (according to what you personally claimed) can find the time to STAY AWAKE UNTILL 3 AM or even 5 AM on a weekday just to share his opinion on my humble blog!!!!!!!
If one looks at your comments and their timing and compare them to a genuine person who really lives in the US, many differences emerge, for example Slavik Mike comments are posted between 12pm to 4am Beirut time, which translate into a sensible US (East coast) time of 5 to 9pm!!!
Now I do not know where you really live, but I have a small idea, and I really do not care. What I care about is honesty!
However I would like to hear your explanation because maybe I am wrong and you are really living in the US, and doing a night job.
let me share with my readers the times you post in (which incidentally seem to be closer to a guy posting comment from Beirut than from NY) for example you posted on (Beirut times) ex: 8am, 10am, 11am, 2pm, 3.30pm, 5pm, and 9,10 11 pm. If you translate that to New York time (where you claim to live) they become 1am, 3am, 4am, 6am, 7.30am, 10am, 2pm , 3pm and 4pm.
Something is fishy don’t you think???
Finally, Sam or whatever your name is, I eagerly await your answer!
same first let me tell you that i erased your previous comments. Personnal insults are not allowed.
now let me copy past some of what you said abotu yourself, i will let you judge:
on 1/18/2007
"But I see your point, we can be different and lobby for peace. In this case do you want to come join us in New York?"
on 1/15/2007
">>I'm sure you really are a Lebanese guy named Sam living in France.
You are wrong."
1/19/2007
">>Such a mistake is forgiveable for someone living abroad, such as in France, but to actually be in the same country, doesn't bode well for your lobbying skills.
France is a great country, My wife and I are planning to move back there in a few months.
As for lobbying, I don't talk myself, I just accompany a beautiful American girl (from Palestinian descent) she's the one who does all the talking, she speaks much better than I do plus she has no accent at all."
so really why all the decite and falshoods? and believe i do not care much where you live but not saying the truth in one thing means that you are likely to say falshoods in most other things...which casts doubts on most of what you said!
Peace
Bob,
I gave you a very nice and detailed description about myself, how you saw an insult is beyond my imagination!
You see falshoods when it is... all true.
No justice no Peace
sam
all true?????
so you want me to join in NY while you are in France!!!!
and you are planning to go back to france while you are already there!!!!!
Ok now i understand your logic!
and let me tell you something if you forget what you wrote i still have the comment. so what i considered an insult is the first sentence and it was about me!!!!
Still i am waiting for your explanation for the falshoods you said on three different occaisions that contradict what you said today!
Bob,
What was in my first sentence that you considered an insult?
ALL what I told you is true!
>>so you want me to join in NY
Yes I can help you find a job in NY, I live in the US.
>while you are in France!
I am in France for 6 months to look for an appartment to buy before returning to the US selling the one there and returning to settle in France permanently.
I don't even know why I'm going into such sordid details!! What does it matter to you, just trust people a little bit!
Sam
Fine! no contradictions. can we just drop it.
Cool, believe me Bob if one fine day all this mess ends and we have a normal country in peace and functioning normally, My wife and I will sell everything again and we'll move to Lebanon.
Sam,
you got the point. Sunnis gathered around Hariri; the other fossils you cited are not relevant in the current setting, except maybe for Karameh. Now, you can refuse to consider the facts, but they have a way of being stubborn.
I see nothing to add; especially since you went to that old feltman disk.
Jeha,
None of the sunnis in my family supports Hariri, FACT!
None of the others supports Hariri either, not a single one, FACT!
When elections were held in Tripoli which is mostly sunni, a huge chunk of the people voted against him, FACT!
Asking siniora to share power is not a sectarian problem it is a political problem, this is unacceptable sectarian blackmail, FACT!
Sam:
>To Slavic Mike,
>>If HA is only against Jews within Israel
HA and people in the Middle East are not against jews within Palestine, they are against not letting millions of Palestinians from returning to their homes and/or land in Palestine.
Again, that doesn't explain HA's role in the Argentina Synagogue bombings in 1994(that's a long way off from Israel).
And if they believe in the success of Palestine's cause, they should cease funding militants in their I.R.A.-like tactics and aid in non-violent anit-Apartheid tactics.
The overall focus of the conversation has obviously shifted, and I'll go ahead to "Showdown in the streets" and let this thread drop(instead of the usual point by point counter-commenting I usually do)
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